Please no trades involving Phily players. I warn you not to trade to shave off Stat contract for whatever management sees in getting back Phily players. Just ridiculous to suggest that there is value in this trade. Stat is without questions a great weapon. Do you really think the SUNS will ever get close to a championship if they trade at this key position? What happened to Finley, Marion, Joe Johnson, Nash when he was in Dallas after being traded, Marley?.
If yu can't stick with decisions yu make earlier in the draft then trading to re-acquire them then yu have no good judgement or talent evaluation.
Yu can't win without talent. Take salaries off the books is all we see from this organization. SUNS fan will never see a championship because we don't stick with paying guys what they are worth. Jason Kidd got the max contract late in his career. Huh, was he worth the spending?. He also went through his micro surgery fracture. I am telling you you trade Stat and you just did the absolute worst for the organization.
Oh did I forget all the picks they gave away on consecutive years for less than $2 M each for names like Raja Rondo, Fernandez and Dang. Whatever dude.. this is the absolute worst decade of management personel decisions.
Jerry Colangelo and Cotton Fitz UNDERSTOOD basketball decisions better than anyone and kept the best SUNS team together and quiet honestly kept us SUNS fans.
One suggestion I have is keep the players you picked on draft day (Stat, barbosa, Nash, lopez) and go forward. Yu can't fix the bads that have already been made.
Firstly, Stat wasn't playing well and what did Charles Barkley say, "Staudemire will be traded no doubt". Secondly, we were in a deep hole and not only losing huge leads, but losing consecutive games. Thirdly, we get a huge win over Dallas, and doing crunch time, Amare was viewing the game from the bench, not the floor. Now, we have got on a run. Dallas, NO, Houston and Denver have fallen to the Suns. Now, Staudemire is playing like he is a man on a mission. Maybe he's playing to prove to Sarver, Kerr and Gentry that he is worth all that money and that max extension. Maybe, he is showing his potential worth to all other teams that seek interest in him. Or maybe, a little of both, who knows? Point is, we are winning, but, the basketball world is still chirping. It's 50/50, they say if Stat leaves or goes. Before I thought, he is surely out, now I hope not.
The question is, if we do trade Stat, which like I said is a 50 50 chance, what will become of us later this season. What I read is that gms everywhere are offering little to nothing for a trade with Stat, I am reading that expiring contracts, mediocore players, draft picks and cash is being offered and we deserve much better than that. Two years ago, Shaq came here, showed his finger to our fans, flew into them, and then flew out to Clevand. Kerr said, remember guys, If this Shaq thing works, I am a genious, if not, I am an idiot. I can safley say, the plan did not work, so I guess, Kerr was infact what he said he would be if the plan did not work out. Today, we maybe on that road again as we may give a way a huge asset to our team. If Sarver and Kerr do decide to trade Amare, what will become of us later this season. Will we even make the playoffs, will we be burned for the next few years of such a trade does manifest into reality. Basically, will Kerr stand at another press confernce and tell the Suns fans once again that if this trade works, he's a genious, if not, he's an idiot. If so Kerr, remember, your 0-1.
Finally, it feels like some light at the end of the tunnel! They say you can only get as high as you fail, i think being a suns fan we felt the bottom, but it feels good to get some big wins on the road to sart climbing to the top like i think we have the potential to be. Its a rollercoaster ride and i like this part. Keep up the good work. Lets finish on the road with a win at Sacramento.GO SUNS!!!
P.S. Let's negotiate to keep Amare, there's no better power foward!
I don't think Kerr gets enough credit for putting the current Suns roster together. Sure, the Suns have had some questionable decisions in the past, but most of those are NOT Kerr's fault. Kerr was hired in 2007. Since then, he has acquired:
Grant Hill
Shaquille O'neal (for Marion and Banks)
Robin Lopez
Goran Dragic
Matt Barnes
Louis Amundson
JRich and Jared Dudley (for Diaw and Bell)
Channing Frye
Earl Clark
Jarron Collins
Kerr's first major move was dumping Kurt Thomas's massive contract. He also traded Shaq in a salary dump. I don't consider either move his fault.
So for those Suns fans out there looking to criticize Steve Kerr's tenure as a GM, look at the above list of moves he's made, and base your comments on this list. It isn't completely comprehensive, I'm sure, but I'd hate to see more people blaming him for dealing the likes of Joe Johnson, or the draft rights to Nate Robinson, Luol Deng, or Rajon Rondo, because he had nothing to do with any of those trades. And yes, I've seen Kerr blamed for all these moves before. : (
If you've listened to the Show To Be Named Laterat all this week, you know Vince Marotta's less than pleased with how the Suns are showcasing Amare Stoudemire while attempting to trade him.
To sum up, Stoudemire's been in the situation you would least expect to see an All-Star on the trading block -- on the bench in crunch time, or uninvolved on the court.
In Tuesday's overtime loss to Charlotte, Phoenix shuffled Stoudemire in and out faster than a hockey lineup change. The reason: Stoudemire's benefit on the offensive end of the ball versus his detrimental effect on the defensive end.
(On a slight tangent, if Stoudemire thinks he's still worth max money when the rest of the league knows he can't be trusted defensively in crunch time, he's a seriously misguided man.)
But even when Stoudemire was on the floor, Phoenix rarely went to him for points when they needed them; and let's face it -- lately, the Suns have needed points. Their shooting has dropped dramatically in January, and Stoudemire's 56-percent shooting clip should be more appealing to a team in this kind of stretch.
Instead, no isolation for Stoudemire, no slew of pick-and-rolls with Steve Nash, and no win.
Two nights later, Stoudemire scored 22 points in three quarters. He didn't play a single minute in the fourth, and not because the Suns or Mavs had already put the game away. It was because Gentry felt a crew of Lou Amundson, Channing Frye and Earl Clark was performing too well to be taken off the floor.
Any other night, I'd believe him. And yes, the crew on the floor was surprisingly and pleasantly productive. But, to be redundant, Stoudemire had just punched in 22 points in only three quarters. Gentry had to have known this. These kind of decisions (see: Gentry's obsession with bad zone defense), make Suns fans wonder what Phoenix's braintrust is thinking.
Yes, the Suns won (on TNT, finally). It's impossible to say for sure if they would have won with Stoudemire playing in the fourth quarter. It's not impossible to say his trade value would go up with a 30 to 40-point night.
Of course, such demonstrations as those mentioned above will have their repercussions. Other teams are watching closely, at least the near-dozen teams mentioned to be interested in acquiring Stoudemire. Don't think this diminishing display of Stoudemire's talent won't result in an equally diminished return in any deal involving him.
It's easy to picture Kerr working the phones, trying to get as close to "fair value" as he can. Teams will low-ball him with bad offers. Kerr will respond, "Look, this is an All-Star, a franchise player." Team X, on the other line, will say, "Funny, it sure hasn't looked that way."
When that happens, and Phoenix (assuming they can get something feasible done before the trading deadline) gets a decent player, peanuts and a worthless pick, Suns fans will take up their torches and pitchforks and march down Jefferson Street. Bob Sarver and Steve Kerr will try to explain away their own (and Gentry's) idiocy. I say their idiocy, because if they showcased Stoudemire a little more, the Suns wouldn't end up like the Memphis Grizzlies in the Pau Gasol trade (except Sarver/Kerr won't be smart enough to pinpoint a Marc Gasol-type to develop).
Suns fans are scared of another Shaq trade (i.e. legit player for cap room). They don't want Stoudemire shipped out for Zydrunas Ilgauskus' expiring contract (and Ilgauskus himself would just be waived to spend more money), J.J. Hickson, and two bad draft picks (high twenties pick, guaranteed). They don't want to contemplate swapping STAT for Jermaine O'Neal's albatross of a contract that expires this season.
What good is free agent money if no player close to Stoudemire's talent level will want it in Phoenix? Lebron James? Chris Bosh? Dywane Wade? Joe Johnson? Between their own teams and the respective calls of Miami, New York and New Jersey, all of them will be gone before even considering the Valley of the Sun.
It's obvious the Suns are resigned to trading Stoudemire. If that's the case, then make the best of it. Show him off. Make him believe he's a franchise player, if only to help yourselves.
Don't show his worth, then expect equally worthless value in return.
Looking back, we all really liked Raja Bell and I know some were different about Diaw but, I thought that trading for J rich and Dudley was a good idea, but because I liked what J Rich had to offer. But after everyone thought that Dudley was just a throw in, maybe it's not the case anymore. Last year, J.R. played pretty well for us but this year definitly a huge decline in most parts of his game. On the other hand, Dudley blossomed into something and nothing short but of a great surprise. Dudley who is still probably top ten in 3 pt percentage, and is a great defender, is out playing J.R. in my opinion. Hey, we see Dudley face on this planet orange website but not Jason. This is what I'm saying, was this trade a blessing in diguise? Did we trade Raja and Diaw for Richardson and Dudley or did we trade for Dudley and Richardson?
Someone please tell me that the fourth quarter of the Mavs game means that Gentry finally realizes that winning means stops, and stops, for the Suns, mean Dudley AND Amundson on the floor!
In Spain, everyone loves Lakers cause Pau is playing, or Toronto cause Calderoón, or Portland cause Rudy, you know, but the gamestyle of Suns conquisted me more than 10 years ago, and I'm proud!!
I visited realgm.com yesterday and it talked about the potentiall trade of Stat for Ginobli. That in itself is some big talk and big trade rumors. Our worst enemy in my opinion is the Spurs and they are the Joker to our Batman. Ginoblie made that huge shot on us 2 years ago, remember, that crazy bank shot of a lay up, and now Pappavich is saying that he may possibly end up in the valley of the Suns. Not to mention it was Stat who got off the bench to go pound some Spur behind and got suspended for it and now Gentry and the Sun's organization is saying he may wear Black and gray? This seems like something out of a mystery novel, Imean, can anyone of you loyal suns fans whom if you are loyal probably gringe at the sight or sound of the Spurs possibly imagine us making a trade with them? This is a buisness, but where there is a thing that is called pride too.
After starting the season rolling, the Suns have dropped 7 of the last ten, including their first ever loss in Phoenix to Charlotte. Things are most certinly not looking good right now. Plus all the injuries going on, with Barb, and Grant Hill. The Mavs enter the game with a 10 game winstreak, with one of the hottest and best teams in the NBA. As coach said, "We have to be able to step up and execute and be able to complete plays," coach Alvin Gentry. "It's everybody's fault. It's the players. It's the coaches. No one can escape criticism for this."
The Suns have three guards remaining uningured - Jason Richardson, Goran Dragic and Steve Nash. In order ro beat Dallas, Phx, needs Dallas to have a bad game. Things aren't looking too bright in Phoenix, but hopefully. when everyone is healthy, we'll be ready to rip apart the NBA. GO SUNS!
I think that Bosh wants to leave Toronto and we all know that he is a great scorer, rebounder, and a pretty good defender. Derozan is a pretty nice rookie that may play good for us, if not derozen, maybe someone like antwon right or some other player from Raps. Stat may fit pretty well in Toronto as it seems more more that he is not doing so well for us. Bosh and Nash may be a pretty good pick and roll as well. JR, as much as I liked him earlier, people here are right, he is not producing for us so we need someone who will. What do you all this of this trade?
To mention some of the nonsense that has made Kerr ...
Change to Joe Johnson (21.8 pts, 5 ast, 5 reb Since leaving Phx), Marion (approx. 19 pts, 8.8 reb), Bell (who has defended only in Phx), Diaw, D'Antoni.... brought Porter and contract Shaq (ohhhhhhhhhh terrible).
Jared Dudley has a lot of opportunity and adds nothing. For example: Play more than Goran Dragic and their numbers are lower.
Jason Richardson: a player of that $ 13,333,332 is too inconsistent and barely averaged 14 pts, 2 ast, 4 reb. playing 30.4. He came to Phx for a walk.
Amare Amare Amare!: Many say is the future .... in 2064? ... It is clear that Amare is not to be in Phx. It has been acclaimed, positioned as the super star, but is inconsistent, many foul trouble, loses many turnovers, not defending. NOT A LEADER.
A player "emblem" of $ 16,378,325, with 7 NBA seasons, averaging: 20 pts, 8 reb. in 35 minutes.
Compare with Wade: same old, 6 seasons in the NBA, averaging: 27 pts, 6 ast, 5 reb in 36 minutes per game = $ 15,779,912.
Chris Bosh: a year younger, 6 seasons in the NBA, averaging: 24 pts, 11 reb, 2 ast, 1 blk in 36 minutes = $ 15,779,912.
For those who say that must be left to mature ... I'm bringing you Kevin Durant:
Kevin Durant: 21 years, 2 seasons in the NBA. Averaged 29.3 pts, 7.3 reb, 3 ast = $ 4,796,880
Will we continue to believe that Amare is best???
It is time that Amare is changed. You better do it now they can get something ... and if you buy them .... give to Dudley...
Nash is the best players who had the NBA ... and if he had a good friend, Nash would once and without question the MVP ... We need a good partner, good defenses, and a good motivator to work with the team .... Please!!!
How could we have a big advantage on the scoreboard for 3 quarters, and within 10 minutes we lose?
It is time that the 2 players more expensive and have not given their best (AS - JR), they leave to other directions ... and give space to people who do want to play, that it is delivered by the team, by fans, for PHX for the SUNS!
To all who follow the basketball we love to see the Suns play, it is certainly the most attractive teams ... But that's not enough, we need more commitment and consistency in the game, the Suns deserve more than this that are shown ... and if that means making big changes .. going to make .....
I swear I can'tunderstand most of you. As Suns fans we all have high expectations, and when the Suns are struggling you look for answers as if you have a say so. I seen a post saying we should ban Suns games...what a joke! In that same post I seen a comment about the coaching, sure that can be some of the reason...here's the deal if Kerr and Sarver want to make money on this team they have to do exactly what they have been doing, look for talant. this isn't an easy task and I don't envy those guys. Sure I would like to see some good trade(s) take place so the Suns can be a real playoff contender but I know that sometimes that can be harder than we think. I have completely disagreed with some of the decisions Kerr has made but he does what he does with the best of intentions. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like I could do a better job than Kerr, but I will however give my opinion. I would like to see the Suns play more D and be more consistant in that area. We all see just how talented they are on the offensive end, we don't need Terry Porter style D, just a stop or two in critical moments of the game. To do this they would need to trade for one or two more defensive minded players. Stat is a great player and as much as we would hate to see him go, he's worth alot on the trade market right now. If they don't move him now he can just walk away next year and sign with the highest bidder so why not take advantage of that now? Again not trying to say I can do a better job, that's just my opinion. Kerr will need to consider a PG that can take over for Nash when he retires and that's not going to be easy either, the NBA has alot of young talent out there that will be looking for a payday. Maybe if the Suns just unload some of that cap space on a few good teams they would have a chance at a franchise player this summer. That's only part of the problem. Stat might be the reason a young prospect might want to sign here...or better yet, a free agent that has proven himself so the Suns need to be careful not to ruin that oportunity as well... lots to think about if your Steve Kerr...
i don't know what the problem with the suns players is, but they are the most inconsistent team in league history... blowing another 17-point lead at the energy solutions arena against the jazz is just crazy. if they don't do something about this, i guess they wouldn't be able to make it to the playoffs for the 2nd straight year. If gentry said that this is a team to beat, i hope he puts actions into those words... LOSERS!
I don't understand why or how but, what is up with our Suns losing so many consecutive TNT games. We play against the Mavs this Thurs and quite frankly, I am worried for 3 big reasons. Number 1. I feel like Dallas is a way better team then us hands down, and that's just me speaking the truth. They beat last game, and this game won't be any easier. Number 2. Losing Leads. I am just lost for words (but Gentry and Company aren't as they keep spueing the same excuses over and over again, e.g.., "We just have to do a better job at closing out", that in translation means, we are a 24 minute team) and as we lose another lead to the Jazz, a game we had to win, I just don't see us recovering against a power house like Dallas. Number 3. The TNT curse. We have lost I don't even know how many games when we play on TNT and it is absolutly unacceptable. Our road games compared to our home games are atrocious, and I am deeply sad and furious about how we are playing. Beleive me, it's not easy being a Sun's fan in LA, and I scream, kick, yell, and pound when we are playing the we are, vice versa I am yelling with joy when we are playing well, but this Thursday, I am worried that we might get another L.
Alright, so looking back to before the season started, I had many opinions on how the season would turn out, and what the Suns needed to do to ensure success.
On the positive side, I did predict the Suns would finish at the top half of the West (which looked good until LB went out in December). I also suggested that Robin would be the starting center for his defense, and while he has only recently been moved into the starting rotation, the benefits seem apparent, even without the W's to prove it.
I did have less-than-stellar suggestions as well, unfortunately. I suggested we trade Sasha before we bought him out for Vlad Radmanovic, and sign Jason Williams. The thought was that Goran and Robin needed more time to develop, and that the Suns would benefit from Vlad's 3pt range. I was not, however, remotely aware that Frye had any sort of range outside of 18 feet, and had he not, the Suns would have faired much differently up to this point. Fortunately, he is the 3pt threat that I thought the Suns lacked, and the trade wasn't needed.
Jury is still out on how Amare will affect this franchise. He's a great talent, but as the season goes on, I'm not sure he's going to be worth $18 - $22mil over the next five or so seasons.
So while my intentions were good, I guess there's a reason I'm not in the front office. Kudos to Kerr for ignoring me. : )
Last year, Lopez was in my mind a terrible back up center. But like Dudley and Goran, Robin is growing into a pretty good center. He has size and strength, something Frye does not deliever. I said in a previous blog that putting Lopez as a starting center would only help Lopez just like the added minutes to Goran and Dudz. However, this maybe just me, but Lopez who did learn a thing or two from Shaq last year may hurt our offense which is known for being fast and effective.
Robin as opposed to Frye who is faster and stretches the offense for 3s is more for a defensive figure and fights the other Centers in the league. In my opinion, I do think it is better that we start Lopez now instead of Frye, and although it does help our ever needeing rebound needs it also slows us down. Suns plus slow does not match, and yet, I see our team becoming more and more of a Spurs type of team, how? by being a more of a half court team which we are not that good at since we've always played and was coached differently. Lopez, he is a blossiming player but I see him a bit like Shaq, and we all know how it ended when we had Shaq last year. Just my opinion, I could be very wrong as I have been many times before.